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Author of “A Cursed Blessing- My empathic Journey” (under the name Victoria Kay-Barnes and Noble and Amazon)
Kelly is a resident of New Jersey and lives with her husband and two children.
Kelly has honed her craft through a three year extensive and comprehensive Mediumship Mentorship Program with Mavis Pittilla and Jean Else as well as a one year “Teaching The Teachers Program” with them.
She looks forward to taking Mavis’s legacy forward in the future along with other trainees.
Kelly has worked as a Spiritual Medium since 2013, conducting private readings, group reading events and workshops. Her greatest gift was to understand her abilities and to learn how to help heal herself as well as others, In both worlds through her Mediumship.
Kristina Nez Begay (Dine’) is an enrolled member of the Navajo Nation. She has been under the loving wings of Mavis Pittilla and Jean Else. They have trained and helped to shape her spiritual
mediumship over many years. She is honored and grateful for all of the wisdom and support they bring to her life.
Kristina is a spiritual medium, inspirational speaker, master energy healer and trainer,
Indigenous artist of sacred tools, and contributing author of the international best seller, The Last Breath: True Stories of Mediumship, the Afterlife & Messages from Heaven.
She is dedicated to bringing healing to people here and in the Spirit World. Kristina is honored to live in service to the Spirit World as the carrier and translator of their most
precious memories and stories of their lives.
She helps others recognize their full potential by guiding them to remember who they are with love. Kristina has an uncanny ability to lead people in her meditations and guided
contemplations with her drums and rattles.
Her teaching style quickly gains students’ trust and excites them to delve deep. She illustrates abstract concepts for all to understand and encourages her students to seek their
own answers from within. Kristina helps others learn to live consciously.
Joanne Holden is an accomplished medium having been trained entirely by Mavis Pittilla over many years. Joanne is based in Liverpool in the UK.
Joanne teaches Mavis Pittilla and Jean Else’s Fundamentals and Essential
Pathways courses. Joanne has taken classes for the local district council of
Spiritualist National Union. She does online demonstrations all across UK and in the USA as well as private readings for those both home and abroad.
She has demonstrated in many venues in the UK and is an extremely popular
church medium in the North West of England, where she is huge demand.
Joanne has done workshops and demonstrations live in Spain (prior to
Covid). She also does a huge amount of charity work, supporting many
important causes. She is passionate about her mediumship and making sure that people have the correct foundations.
Her understanding of the needs of people new to mediumship, who need a
strong foundation of knowledge and skill, is second to none. She has a
natural ability to understand their needs and encourage great progress.
Karen Gillis is a Spiritual medium, from Boston, who passionately subscribes to the theory that death ends a life but not a relationship. Her gift is contacting the living with those who live in Spirit.
For nearly a decade she has joined in development classes with various tutors. She has deepened her understanding of the spiritual aspects and craft of mediumship by participating in numerous mentorships with Mavis Pittilla and Jean Else when
they visited Boston. She has also attended the prestigious Arthur Findley College in the UK, under the tutorage of Mavis.
Karen has also had the privilege of working in platform demonstrations with Mavis.
Most recently, she was honored to be chosen by Mavis and Jean to assist in their Teaching the Teachers program. Karen embraces each opportunity that allows her to make heavenly connections.
Karin is a certificate holder of the British Spiritualist National Union (SNU) in speaking, demonstrating and teaching.
Born and raised in Germany, her psychic
abilities were inherited from her mother, originating from the eastern European state of Latvia.
Karin has learnt from, and trained with, some of the best mediums. This includes
the prestigious Arthur Findlay College in England. She has been mentored by the highly respected UK Medium, Mavis Pittilla, who is considered one of the best mediums worldwide.
With more than 12 years of experience as a medium, Karin runs her own center of mediumship in Frankfurt where she offers private sittings, public demonstrations and teaches different levels of mediumship.
Karin works internationally in all over Europe and she regularly appears as a guest
medium in different Spiritualist churches in the UK.
Teaching mediumship has become her great passion. Since she has been trained
by excellent teachers, it is her wish to pass it on and to contribute to a high quality standard of mediumship.
Karin is passionate about what she does. She sees mediumship as her vocation to help provide better standards of mediumship wherever she works in the world.
Karin about herself: “With my work as a medium I want to show that the soul lives on even after the physical death. I feel very grateful and blessed for this wonderful opportunity to be able of being a link between our world and the world of Spirit and
experiencing that special
Kathleen was born communicating with people in the spirit world, thinking the experience was the same for everyone. Upon entering Catholic school, Kathleen learned that these abilities were not always welcomed. She quickly distanced herself from these experiences and she became heavily involved in the church.
In material life Kathleen attained a Master’s degree in Education, and raised her daughter. Her faith in God carried her through years of abuse and hardships. Decades after pushing her mediumship away, Kathleen found that old familiar feeling returning after starting to learn about Reiki.
She joined a few development circles in the western Massachusetts area and began exploring options to learn more about mediumship and attended her first class at The
Journey Within in New Jersey, with Mavis Pittilla and Jean Else in 2016. Since then, Kathleen has been learning under the tutelage of several experienced mediums but primarily Mavis Pittilla and Jean Else.
She has also attended Mavis and Jean’s Advanced Week in England last October,
where she had the honor to serve the Spiritualist churches in Manchester,
England. She is also in the second year of a ministerial training program under Rev. Janet Nohavec.
Kathleen knows that her soul’s purpose is to help people. She seeks to honor and serve people in both worlds at the highest standard. Kathleen has been offering private sittings, galleries and platform demonstrations of mediumship for several years. She began teaching psychic and mediumistic development in 2019.
Combining her experience as an educator and her decades of work in the corporate world with her solid foundation of The Whole Medium from Mavis and Jean, Kathleen
looks to share this knowledge by teaching, facilitating practice circles, demonstrating, and providing both the ministerial and pastoral care needed, both in person and virtually.
Kelly’s natural intuitive and mediumship abilities were evident from an early age. Growing up in Upstate New York, she lived in an old house that her family shared with another family in sprint.
Today, Kelly is a professionally trained psychic, medium, and Soul Astrologer. She was trained
and mentored in evidential spiritual mediumship under the tutelage of Mavis Pittilla and Jean Else. She has enriched her training by attending the Arthur Findlay College in the United Kingdom. In addition, she is certified as a professional ethical psychic through Flora Sage Therapies. Her studies have also included astrology through Debra Silverman Astrology. She teaches mediumship classes and run weekly mediumship development circles with fellow medium Kristina Nez Begay.
Since the day that she listened to her soul and opened herself to the wonder and beauty of her
abilities, she has been committed to using her talents to help people here in this world and the
spirit world. Kelly is currently the sole owner of Healing Two Worlds LLC
(https://www.healingtwoworlds.com). Her practice allows her to serve as a voice for the spirit world as she uses her down-to-earth, friendly manner to reunite Heaven and Earth through love. She believes that the work of a spiritual medium creates healing in two worlds, the world of spirit and the physical world. Kelly views this work as sacred and feels blessed to serve as a healer for both worlds.
Lisa Wilcoxson is a spiritual evidential medium, psychic, mystic and mentor. Naturally intuitive and having seen spirit since her teenaged years, Lisa dedicated herself to Spiritual work after both her children transcended. Renowned for delivering detailed evidence and stunning connection in readings, Lisa compassionately provides undeniable proof the bonds of love are unbreakable, there is no death, and our lives are forever intertwined. With an abundance of gratitude for all the miracles along her path, Lisa’s mindful and inspirational guidance and connection through spiritual mediumship has helped bereaved people across the globe.
Lisa has trained with Mavis Pittilla and Jean Else over a number of years developing her knowledge and understanding of all things mediumistic and spiritual based on Mavis’s unique 50+ years experience. She respects the very high standards they set and emulates this approach.
Lisa is available for private readings, group readings and public events, and public speaking about the afterlife, grief and her personal chrysalis towards a joy filled life, as well as private mentorship. Lisa travels the country for events and works internationally via Zoom.
Lisa resides in Scottsdale and Sedona, Arizona, with her husband Rick and their two dogs.
Marlene is a Spiritual Medium who currently lives in Florida. Even at a young age Marlene was able to feel the emotions of others as well as feel the presence of family members after they had crossed over. As clinical therapist for over 30 years, it became more evident that Marlene’s psychic abilities were influencing her work with clients. Marlene started her professional training with Janet Nohavec at the Journey Within Spiritualist Church in New Jersey and has been a dedicated student with Mavis Pittilla for almost a decade.
Most recently she is proud to be a part of the Teaching The Teachers program with both Mavis Pittilla and Jean Else. Marlene now blends her life experience, empathic and Mediumistic abilities to help others with healing from grief and life struggles. Currently Marlene teaches psychic/mediumship development classes, does private readings, as well as Gallery demonstrations. Marlene has a passion to serve the spirit world and bring healing to those who seek to feel the essence and love of their loved ones in spirit.
Orla Falvey is an accomplished medium in her own right, having been trained entirely by Mavis Pittilla, over many years both in her native Ireland and in the UK
and online. Orla lives in Ireland.
She has been teaching our Fundamentals groups online. She has taught groups in Ireland, undertaken private readings, delivered church services and demonstrated
mediumship in many venues. She has also worked in and served churches all over the UK. She is passionate about her mediumship and making sure that people have
the correct “Mavis Pittilla” foundations.
Her understanding of the needs of people new to mediumship, who need a strong foundation of knowledge and skill, is excellent. Her own journey has enabled her to
understand the struggles and needs of others, as well as the desires of those
wanting to work with spirit.
Mavis and Jean are delighted to present this opportunity to you to work with Orla on this Foundational Programme, which will be an invaluable resource for your
Pamela Lyn Hidinger is a spiritual medium who currently lives in Houston, Texas. She is the proud Mom of three beautiful daughters, one of whom is in the spirit world. She is a mentee of Mavis Pattilla and Jean Else and is currently in the Journey Within Minister-In-Training Program. Pamela also serves as the Helping Parents Heal Houston Affiliate leader.
Terezie is an international evidential medium, healer and brand strategist with a passion for multi-dimensional life and helping others in their spiritual and personal growth. She has been actively working with Spirit for 20 years, and her soul and mystical explorations lead her to work with clients, guiding them in everyday life issues, business and long-term individual development. Terezie will help you on your soul journey with psychic or mediumship readings, energy healing sessions, and personal mentoring.
Annie Gee is an accomplished medium having been trained entirely by Mavis Pittilla and Jean Else over many years. She lives near Manchester in
She undertakes private sittings and has also demonstrated in many venues in the UK and USA, in Boston, New Jersey, Newark and Lilydale.
She currently teaches several online groups at beginner/intermediate &
advanced levels for Mavis and Jean. She also teaches and demonstrates in
local churches in the Northwest of England.
Her knowledge and understanding of Mavis’s practice and theory is second to none. For many years she has been working with Jean to gather many of
Mavis’s lectures, talks, classes to create a long -lasting legacy of a 50 + year unique experience of spirituality and mediumship.
She is a life-long learner with a thirst for knowledge and the desire to constantly improve her own mediumship to improve the experience for the spirit world.
She also has a clear understanding of the needs of people new to mediumship, who need a strong foundation of knowledge. She has a natural ability to understand their needs and encourage great progress.
She is committed to upholding Mavis’s exceptionally high standards of all aspects of Mediumship delivered with a clear moral and ethical
After a successful career as an educator and psychologist, Vicki retired to The Villages, Florida with her husband, a university professor. Even though she held an undergraduate degree and three graduate degrees including a Ph. D., she continued pursuing her education by taking classes in The Villages including several taught by Suzanne Giesemann. Within a year of her move, her world was turned upside down with the death of her husband, mother, brother, cousin and best friend, and three other close family members. In an effort to cope with her losses, a week after her husband’s death she had a private sitting with Suzanne Giesemann. That remarkable and healing reading ignited her soul, and she knew that she was a medium as well. She continued taking classes in The Villages with Suzanne Giesemann and one with Janet Nohavec. When she heard Mavis Pittilla also would be offering classes, she quickly registered for the workshops and was catapulted into a career of mediumship under the mentorship of Mavis Pittilla and Jean Else. She also has studied under Andy Byng. She has dedicated her life to serving the Spirit World by giving private sittings as well as platform demonstrations in the United States and attending Jean and Mavis’s Advanced weeks in the UK where she has demonstrated in their local churches.
Ashyn Flanagan is a multifaceted medium, teacher, healer and psychic from Bethlehem Pennsylvania. Ashyn has been working professionally for over 24 years and started teaching in 2009. Ashyn has trained with several mediums through the years and most recently has continued her advanced studies with Mavis Pittilla and Jean Else in their Teaching the Teachers
program. Ashyn’s mission is to not only bring authentic information and messages from spirit for her clients, but to also help others learn to connect for themselves. Ashyn believes we all have the ability to learn to tune into spirit, and that our loved ones are only a breath away.
Clair is a Spiritual Medium, originally from the UK. For the past 16 years she has resided in Florida.
Clair started her mediumship development 26 years ago, including studying at the world renowned Arthur Findlay College. Clair has continued her advanced studies with Mavis Pittilla and Jean Else in their mentorship and Teaching the Teachers programs.
Clair sees clients in her home office, online and hosts weekly in person mediumship development groups and workshops.
Clair’s great passion is to serve the spirit world, reuniting you and your loved ones. Bringing love, healing and sharing special memories for both worlds.
Courtney was born and raised in Throgs Neck in the Bronx, but moved to a suburb outside of NYC in her late teens, where she still resides.
She is a Spiritual Medium, reiki master, and spiritual healer. She splits her time
working at a local funeral home and conducting private sittings and
She prides herself on the care and healing of all people from both sides of the veil with this unique perspective.
Courtney has spent many years under the tutelage of Mavis Pittilla and Jean Else
and strives to live the ways of the “whole medium” to bring in the true presence
of the spirit world in her readings.
With her down-to-earth and practical way of teaching, she greatly enjoys working with mediums in the early stages of their development.
Dunia S. Furahalliem is a spiritual medium, with a special love for public speaking, inspiration and philosophy. She has been trained as a medium by Mavis Pittilla and Jean Else since 2014, and is at present training as a teacher.
Dunia has an extensive knowledge and understanding of Mavis’ teachings, and a passion for sharing her belief and knowledge in God, the Spirit World, and how to be the whole medium.
Elizabeth Wolf is a Psychic, Evidential Medium, and Spiritual Teacher working professionally since 2019 in Clearwater, Florida. She is originally from Pennsylvania and has been aware of her gifts from childhood. Elizabeth is passionate about helping people find their way in life, communicating with the spirit world, and being the bridge that brings these two worlds together.
Eric began as a “natural medium” and has memories of seeing spirit people as a
child, which was sometimes frightening. He grew up in a rural area in Ohio and in a
conservative Christian family that didn’t foster or encourage this ability. As a teen he was very psychic and often became the advisor of many friends in school, to him it was just normal, and he didn’t realize that others couldn’t “see” life circumstances playing out in their mind like he did.
He dove deeper into these abilities in 2012, while recovering from a major spine surgery, when he began to receive what he called “downloads” of information from the Spirit World at odd times during the day, even while driving. After validating most of this information, he knew he had something that must be shared and better understood. Fortunately, he found two women who taught mediumship and psychic classes, Joanne Franchina and Rose Vanden Eynden, who helped him to better understand how to use his abilities; and he began to take private sittings.
A life-long learner and truth seeker, Eric still had a thirst for more depth and a better understanding of the unseen world. In 2018 he attended a 4-day workshop
with Mavis Pittilla, a world-renowned medium and teacher based in the UK. He has remained under Mavis and her partner Jean’s wings for more than 3 years, developing and perfecting his mediumship further. Eric has also completed an intensive teacher certification mentorship, in order to be able to teach Mavis and
He has had the privilege to have demonstrated mediumship from the platform at several spiritualist churches in England, including Longton National Spiritualist Church, the former church of the late great medium Gordan Higginson. And thanks to technology, has done private sittings internationally including England, Japan, and Austria.
Eric is the owner of Infinite Expressions, based in Cincinnati, Ohio., where he takes private sittings, and shares his passion for the Spirit World. In 2020 he began teaching mediumship and psychic development courses, that convey the spiritual essence of the work as well as the mechanics.
Federica Mari is a Spiritual Medium. She is Italian by born and she lives in Spain.
She works as a Training & Development Specialist for companies and is dedicated to help people to develop their spiritual path.
Despite the close relationship with the Spiritual World since childhood, Federica began her development as a medium at the end of 2016, participating in the first of many courses at the Arthur Findlay College.
For some years she has been developing the trance mediumship with Eileen
Davies and the evidential mediumship with Mavis Pittilla and Jean Else,
participating in their mentorship programs.
Federica teaches, delivers private sittings and public demonstrations mainly in
English and Italian but also in Spanish.
She always says that she feels more comfortable with people in Spirit than with
people in the earthly world. Mediumship is a vocation for her that she cannot help but follow and as Mavis Pittilla says: “The soul will always find a way to bring you back on your path”.
Raised Roman Catholic in Morristown, N.J., Marie had early experiences with spirit including visits from her grandmother. In early 1991 she converted to Pentecostal Christianity and her connection to Spirit became stronger. Due to her faith at the time, she did not develop her mediumship as it was against that religion.
In 2005 after years of experiences with Spirit, Marie met with Reverend Llyod Moll, Spiritualist and Co-founder of MUM Church, Allentown, Pa., and began formal training in mediumship with various teachers. In 2007 Marie began working as a Medium for personal readings, group events, and public demonstrations.
As a Spiritual Medium and Teacher, Marie continues to study and develop her mediumship. She has spent several years with Mavis Pittilla and Jean Else exclusively in their mentorships, master classes in the U.S. and in England, and their teaching program. She is honored to present their classes and be part of Mavis Pittilla’s Legacy along with her fellow teachers in that program.
Marie strives to empower her students so they may unfold and develop to their fullest potential. In service to Spirit, Marie remains serious about the faculties of mediumship and honors the responsibility to the Spirit World and their loved ones here.
Adam is a modern-day Spiritualist Medium with traditional values who grew up in and around Bury, Lancashire, UK. Adam was awarded the Spiritualist National Union’s (SNU) prestigious Gordon Higginson Memorial Scholarship Award in 2016 and has since been awarded a Certificate of Recognition with the SNU csnu (t) in Speaking, Demonstrating and Teaching, and has met the standard to become a Trainee Tutor at the Arthur Findlay College. (AFC) Adam is known for his compassion and dedication in serving others, who are searching for proof of survival of the soul after physical death.
This belief has led him to seek the very highest of standards in mediumship and knowledge of the Soul & Spirit, and he continues to study to this day, to be of service. From experiences as a young child, his desire and drive to gain knowledge led him to study at Arthur Finlay College, the world-renowned college for the advancement of Spiritualism and Psychic Sciences. This experience has opened his mind and Spiritual development further.
Adam considers himself privileged to have experienced some wonderful tutoring and teachings from many well-respected tutors over the years, however it was Mavis Pittilla who helped mentor and nurture Adam into the well-respected medium he is today.
Adam is Internationally recognised. He sees mediumship as a healing and celebration between two worlds, and he delights in opening the minds of others through talks, workshops, and his demonstrations of Mediumship.
Adam sees himself as not only a promoter and proof seeker of life after life, but a promoter of life within life. He believes we have a life and Soul purpose to live here and now, but can have the comfort of knowing that our soul does live on after the physical death.
Adam is also the Author of Soul Rise, ‘Soul Expressions’; a compilation of life/Spiritual poetry with the unique opportunity of reflection for the reader’s personal development.
Brenda has been following her mediumship development for about 17 years, she considers herself fortunate to have been able to have been guided and taught by the best Spiritual Mediums of our age and to be mentored by one of them, Reverend Mavis Pittilla OSNU, CSNU, LSSNU. Brenda has also studied at the famous Arthur Findlay College in Stansted, UK and continues her development as she believes it to be an important part of working with spirit to deepen the blending and the evidence of survival.
Brenda’s focus is on being the Whole medium and in doing so has been discovering her true self, her potential and belief in her own abilities and unique self. Brenda brings this into her work with the Spirit world, in demonstrating, speaking and in one-to-one readings.
Cathy is a retired professional educator who, over the past several years, has continued her commitment to life long personal and professional growth, by distinguishing herself as a Spiritual Medium. Committed to serving the Spirit World and her clients with the highest ethical standards, she brings love, hope and reassurance of life after death to those in need through her one to one psychic and mediumship sittings, platform presentations and trance mediumship.
Believing that the journey of the spirit and soul has no limits, Cathy has dedicated this new chapter of her life to learning all she can about the Spirit World and enhancing her spiritual mediumistic skills. Utilizing both in person and online learning venues, Cathy has participated in and completed a multitude of courses and workshops including her mentorship and teacher training with Mavis Pittilla and Jean Else since 2018.
Christine Morgan CSNU is one of Australia’s foremost Spiritual Mediums and teachers of the Spiritual Arts, based in Sydney Australia.
Her natural mediumistic ability stems from a long line of natural intuitive and heritage of mediumship which has been honed through classical training.
Christine is also a Certificate holder of the Spiritualist National Union in Public Speaking and Demonstrating Evidential Mediumship (CSNU), as well as a Tutor and Course Organiser at the prestigious Arthur Findlay College of psychic science and spiritual mediumship in the UK.
Christine has worked for over 30 years in the field of Spiritual Mediumship and the Intuitive Arts, throughout Australia as well as internationally, including the USA, Canada, Europe and England.
Arlene Mills was born and raised in the Northwest Territories (NT), Canada. She was drawn to the spirit world as part of her own healing of grief and loss. It was the loss of a brother whom passed when she was twenty-one that had the most impact. This left a huge loss in her life, and later she began her spiritual search for answers. In searching for healing, Arlene was blessed with purchasing a book on mediumship which lead her on a journey of inquiry and seeking her own unfoldment.
While searching for understanding of the spirit world, Arlene was introduced to a few well known and respected teachers. It was through these teachers that Arlene began her mediumship foundation training in 2013. By 2014 Arlene was introduced to a well known and respected medium Mavis Pittilla. After her chance meeting Arlene began her training with Mavis and her partner Jean Else for many years following, and continues to this day. Arlene is fortunate to have travelled to various locations including Australia, United Kingdom, USA and Canada to receive mediumship training under the guidance of Mavis Pittilla and Jean Else. Most recently Arlene was fortunate to be included with a mentorship program by Mavis Pittilla and Jean Else in Boston, New Jersey and online.
Arlene is dedicated to the continual learning of the spirit world, our souls and healing, She has a caring and engaging personality and works diligently for the spirit world. Arlene’s desire is to work with individuals whom are seeking connection with loved ones that have passed to the spirit world, or connection with their own soul whether in private sittings or in public demonstrations.
Christine lives in the North West of England, she is an Officiant as well as a Certificate holder in speaking, demonstrating and teaching with the Spiritualist National Union. Christine had connections with spirit friends in her childhood, which wasn’t understood or encouraged by family. She returned to explore her mediumistic abilities and spiritual self about 17 years ago. Christine has studied and been mentored by two of the most respected and world renown mediums – Mavis Pittilla and Eileen Davies, as well as studying at the Arthur Findlay College in Stansted.
Christine has a passion for allowing spirit to hold a conversation with their loved ones to show that life is eternal and that our loved ones still walk by our side. As a result, she continues to develop her own mediumship as well as encouraging others on their journey. Christine tutors awareness classes for those interested in finding out more, as well as workshops and development groups for those wanting to take their journey further. Her ambition is to make the spirit a reality to all those who investigate, to know that how we live life now will impact on our life in the eternal, which comes through in the philosophy of spiritualism.
Her work is diverse, serving many spiritualist churches in the UK, as well as serving churches online, including SNUi. She takes part in and helps to organise charity events, raising money for much needed causes as well as offering private readings. Christine believes that “It is an honour to be able to serve spirit in front of a congregation or audience as well as to have a more personal contact with the spirit world on a one to one with somebody”.
Her role of an Officiant means that she is also available to take official services such as weddings, funerals, naming ceremonies etc. which she makes special to the people involved.
Catherine is a medium living in Warrington in the North of
England. Having been aware of the Spirit World since she
was a child, Catherine started her journey of unfoldment
in 2003, since then she has worked with and been taught
by excellent mediums and tutors. Mavis Pittilla and Chris
Drew both being a major part of her development and
Catherine feels that Spirit Communication and reuniting
you with your loved ones, friends and family, as they bring
those memories of love and laughter to you, can bring
comfort and peace as well as proving love like life is
She offers online and in person private readings and
demonstrations of mediumship. She currently
demonstrates in Churches and Centres in the UK,
particularly in the North West of England, raising money
for charity and good causes over the years.
She holds Certificates (CSNU) in Teaching, Demonstrating
and Speaking from the Spiritualist National Union (UK)
and has attended the Arthur Findlay College in Stansted
London, over the past several years.